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Thanks to everyone who participated in our first round of public meetings in February and March. Watch this space for notification about Round 2 meetings, planned for sometime this summer. For those of you who were not able to attend any of the public meetings from Round 1, here is a link to our presentation.

"The 'participate' portion of this website is skewed to avoid legitimate disagreement. My property will be adversely affected by the plan to raise water levels in the Southern Lakes but I have been advised that I won't qualify for full remediation. If my assets are protected I would be in full support of this option."

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"In terms of the Southern Lakes Enhancement proposal, without adequate and reasonable remediation for property owners raising the late summer level of the Southern Lakes will be fraught with litigation. Yukon Energy representatives have downplayed ramifications and costs."

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"It is good to see that YEC has a current strong focus on Demand Side Management."

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Yukon's energy needs are already close to 100% renewable. What is the problem? Why are we proposing spending money on a non-issue?

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Yukon Energy Yukon Energy needs to be prepared to meet not just today's electricity needs, but also those in the future. That's why we develop 20-year resource plans that get updated every five years. The question for our 2016 Resource Plan is: what is the best way to meet electricity needs to the year 2035? If we were only to look at financial cost, that might mean using more thermal (diesel and LNG) to meet any additional demand. But for many Yukoners it is about more than the dollar cost of electricity; it is about preserving the environment, protecting wildlife, etc. This process is about working with Yukoners to find a balance, given the fact that every source of energy involves trade-offs of some kind. We hope this helps to clarify why we are spending money on this process.

sandi queck We should be looking at utilizing geothermal wherever possible. We're part of the Ring of Fire and South Yukon is part of the Stikine volcanic belt. We should also be looking at individual energy sources in each community such as micro dams, wind generators, solar and plastic to biodiesel.

Raise Marsh Lake by two feet to help store hydro energy for the winter peak usage.

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Roger Rondeau We made the mistake of letting people build on a flood plain and on our energy doorstep and now we must forego much of this free power because of this error.

Jeff Johnson If it is your house, your home, you wouldn't support flooding out residents when there is alternate sources to make up the energy.

Doug Is Venice a mistake? Amsterdam? Manhatten Island? If you have so little regard for protecting people and property I have no respect for you.

Small-scale nuclear power should be part of the discussion. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north-mulls-nuclear-solution-to-rising-power-costs-1.1045157

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Francois Vitez These small nuclear units are not proven yet and we have not figured out what to do with the waste that lasts for hundreds of generations. We have plenty of clean hydro resources still. Why consider non-renewables?

Roger Rondeau Or thorium salt reactors instead.

Amber With these clean hydro energy solutions we flood acres of habitat that many creatures call home. There are actually nuclear plants that are much more sustainable and reuse the waste. If done properly nuclear can be a veryviable source of energy.

sandi queck We don't need to look at nuclear energy. We can use passive natural energy in each community to meet our needs.

We have to think in terms of there being no "silver bullet" solution, but rather approach our energy needs in terms of assessing our consumption, conservation, and multiple areas from which we can draw environmentally friendly and sustainable energy such as solar, geothermal, etc.

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Roger Rondeau Agree! And build the plants that are the best fit close to the communities that need the energy.

Francois Vitez Paying more for renewable is only short term. In the long run, renewables will be cheaper for next generations. Especially hydro, which lasts forever.

George Dimsdale "Renewable" electricity sources should not be given a shoo in just because they are politically correct. There should be stringent assessment of all proposals. We do not want to repeat the Ontario electricity catastrophe.

We don't inherit the world from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. This is something to remember! I'm all for green electricity, even if it means paying more. In the long run it's so worth it.

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George Dimsdale Our electricity source should be determined on effectivenerss, reliability and cost, not on green politics.

Conservation and reducing consumption must the the number one priority along with "green" sources of energy. Blocking more rivers should come as the last "renewable" resort. Building capacity for mining projects is folly as they should be dealt with on an individual basis. Temporary power sources can be removed from the landscape while dams destroy rivers and fish stocks forever. All Yukoners to put energy back in the grid. Encourage and subsidize small scale solar and wind at the house and neighbourhood level.

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Sebastian jones I agree with the bulk of this, except that I don't think that we need to subsidize small scale solar and wind.

Thomas Cheney We should look into converting wood waste into DME to use in diesel trucks and generators.

"How much money can I spend? I need to know this before I make a suggestion."

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Yukon Energy At this point we have not put price tags on anything. This is something that will come later this year. For now, tell us what is most important to you when considering a 20-year energy future for the territory? Thanks.

"Prepare Yukon for the fossil free energy future now. Mix renewables, small and larger scale, promote and subsidize private installations, electrify highway corridors for future transportation needs, get all communities off fossil fuel power."

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sandi queck I am all for leaving fossil fuels behind. If Yukon Energy is in any doubt as to feasibility or how to proceed, I suggest consultation with Iceland's government. Iceland has managed to wean themselves from all fossil fuels except for their fishing fleet.

The comments here are all very positive and there are some very good suggestions that Yukon Energy is and should be supporting/pursuing. However many of the comments suggest that people do not have a great understanding of the larger context of energy use in Yukon. For example, Yukon Energy produces virtually all of the territory's electricity in the form of renewable energy. The rest, used by us (all Yukoners), comes from fossil fuels (equivalent to 12 B train trucks a day arriving in Yukon every day, 365 days a year). In other words, for every one unit of renewable energy that a Yukoner buys from Yukon Energy, they also buy just over four units of fossil fuel energy from an oil and gas company. Yukon Energy only produces a little over 400 GWhs of renewable energy every year. To put this number in context, 540 GWhs per year of fossil fuel energy is used just to heat our buildings. If we wanted to “energy switch” this with clean renewable energy, the proposed NEXT GEN Hydro project would likely still not be adequate. In summary, we are highly dependent on fossil fuels. Home heating and transportation are massive pieces of the “dirty” energy pie in the territory. Instead of sitting around talking about Yukon Energy’s energy forecast and all the variables that go into it, we should be talking about the larger context and how we can get off fossil fuels. I’m afraid this is because it’s easier to point the finger at Yukon Energy and have them lead the process. It is much harder to mobilize all Yukoners to step up, take ownership for their fossil fuel usage, and make some hard decisions about seriously reducing GHG emissions and impacts to the planet. In my opinion we have grossly underutilized our local Yukon natural resources and I think it’s time for Yukoners to look into their own back yard and come up with some serious ways to get off of fossil fuels.

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Take off peak energy storage seriously. See energy efficiency and conservation as the cheapest form of 'generating' kilowatt hours (KWhs) of power. Become an energy services group, not a KWh sales culture. No new dams, we need to use what we have smarter.

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"I want to see demand controlled, and reduced before any new power generation strategies are put in place. The more power that is generated, the more demand there is. Let's address power consumption and waste first rather than just planning more and more power generation. I do not support more damming of rivers; it isn't "green" and has huge impacts on environment on all levels. I do not support a carbon tax but I do support austerity measures to curb demand and unsustainable lifestyles.

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Roger Rondeau Totally agree with this! Now we have to convince all Yukoners to take this path.

George Dimsdale Big Brother, anyone? We have more than enough heavy handed government social engineering already. Provide the electricty that we want, when we want. If someone wants to live a modest lifestyle, and someone else chooses a more extravagent lifestyle, those are their choices, and none of the government's business.

"Do not include any mining potential in forecasts. Isolate all industrial loads and deal with them independently."

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Peter Turner If we take this approach, we inglorious the opportunity to address greenhouse gas emissions by delivering renewable energy and driving any mining operation to diesel or natural gas, thus adding to the Yukon's GHG emissions. That's a problem.

"Recycle waste to produce electrical and thermal byproducts of incineration."

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"Start having the carbon recapture credit conversation."

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"Yes to: conservation first, micro-generation, off-peak rates, electro-thermal storage, smart grid, distributed/diverse generation, community solar/wind/geothermal, small pumped hydro, wind and solar, S.E. Alaska small hydro. No to: LNG, big hydro."

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Roger Rondeau What exactly is a "smart" grid?

Roger Rondeau What we need are "smart" utility operators and "smart" consumers!

It would seem seem other areas think that the alternatives to hydro development are viable. http://www.internationalrivers.org/...

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Roger Rondeau They may be viable but are they economical?

"Use natural gas from the Eagle Plain deposit in the Whitehorse LNG plant."

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Wilf Carter Yes right in our back yard and less trucking.

"Geothermal?"

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"Look seriously into micro-grid management to better utilize existing power generation facilities and renewable energy. Off Peak rate structure is making inroads into many regions; why not implement it and make electric thermal storage heaters a very viable way to heat Yukon homes."

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Wilf Carter Yes if it is economical.

"Liquid fluoride thorium reactors (LFTR) are a very good answer to Yukon's broad range of electrical and thermal needs."

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Wilf Carter Not sure what it is.

Roger Rondeau Don't let the term reactors scare you. Look up what this actually is and how it operates before you judge. Idea for the mines.

Roger Rondeau Let the new mines develop this alternative energy and sell some of it to our grid saving Yukoners spending vast amounts of valuable money on creating waste from our utility.

"Invest in micro-hydro and run-of-river before we look to flood entire valleys."

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Wilf Carter Limited use needs to be close to the grid. I have looked at these in Alaska and on the East Coast.

Wilf Carter Only if it is close to the grind or a community; other that it is not economical.

Roger Rondeau In diesel communities as an alternative to wind and solar. Also the same on the grid for future prospects.

"Develop significant new hydro resources. Build economic and management partnerships with First National governments. Connect to southern pan Canadian grid. Look to building a future sustainable Yukon - culturally, environmentally and economically."

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Wilf Carter This is the key number one project for the Yukon. Alberta needs a new source of energy to replace the coal fired power plant. The Yukon and BC should partner on developing energy accord to supply AB.

anne Connecting to the North American grid is not economic.

Douglas Trim There is nothing wrong with creating new lakes and resevoirs that will be used by tourism and will also create power. Build more dams and use small hydro projects.

Thomas Cheney This might make sense but it would have to be part of a larger supergrid linking Alaskan wind and other renewables with the main continental grid. Having renewables such as wind geographically dispersed can help. I would recommend looking up the supergrid idea. I am in BC but I wish the Yukon the best on this planning process.

"When we have surplus hydro, use it to turn water into hydrogen, compress it, and store it in tanks. Then use it as fuel in the LNG plant instead of natural gas."

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Wilf Carter Not sure about this.

Government rebated, either partially or fully, residential battery energy storage to store energy during times of hydro generation. Then usage of this stored energy during times when diesel is required.

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Wilf Carter Don't agree. The technology is new and not totally proven, plus the costs are way too high for the benefits. Need to develop other sources of energy. Right now there are new types of wind turbines coming out that don't use blades and can be made in any size, and snow does not stick to them and birds can be made safe from them. They will also turn at lower spends. I suggest the Yukon government purchase 100 of these to put in people's yards, on buildings, and wire them into houses and buildings and create a test to see how much these turbines create in energy per year. The goal is to get the houses/ building to produce some of their own energy and if they have extra put it on the grind. When need energy receive from the grid. If you look at the wind patterns, we get more wind in the fall, winter and spring.

Extend the grid to all Yukoners, including Watson Lake, Burwash/Destruction Bay, Beaver Creek, etc.

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Roger Rondeau No, just build it there in the communities.

Roger Rondeau Meaning we build the generating systems in the community rather than spending millions on line extensions.

"Make the LNG plant obsolete."

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Jonathan Kerr I don't agree. We need back up electricity (LNG/diesel/thermal) in case of a catastrophic failure of a generating station or transmission line. We also need this in case our renewables are tapped out and we need surplus power during times of critical power use (i.e. -40C in Feb).

Wilf Carter Not until there is a full alternative that works.

Wilf Carter Not until something new.

Roger Rondeau A little late. We have spent millions unfortunately with this concept and now we have no alternative but to make it work for the best of all Yukoners.

Thomas Cheney How about retrofitting the diesel to use renewable biomass-based DME. GV Energy and Chembiopower might be worth exploring. I am consulting on a local biofuels project in BC and I think the concept makes sense. Wind and solar are not enough, you need dispatchable backup.

"We need to balance 100 percent renewable energy with protecting wildlife and fish. We must all think about how to do that."

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Wilf Carter It is already proven around the world that this can be done. Wildlife have adjusted to their environment since the bringing of time. Look at the caribou on the Dempsey Highway and oil and gas development. It is not about protecting wildlife or fish but building the structures so the animals can adopt to change just like humans.

"Embrace micro-power generation. Reward Yukoners for returning power to the grid, which will help reduce our carbon production."

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Yukon Energy Yes indeed. The Yukon government's micro-generation policy allows Yukoners who generate excess renewable energy to feed it into the grid. Contact the Energy Solutions Centre at http://www.energy.gov.yk.ca/ for details.

Wilf Carter Yes good idea.

"We have to think about the kind of world we want to leave our grandchildren."

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Wilf Carter Better place than we have it.

"Focus on conservation and energy efficiency first."

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Jonathan Kerr Although fundamentally important, this statement implies that conservation and energy efficiency is all that is required to "get us there". This is misleading and not the case. Of course we need conservation and efficiency, but we also need more competitive, highly reliable renewables. It's all part of the same package.

Wilf Carter Yes is always a tool in the energy pool.

Roger Rondeau This does not say that these are the only options, only that they are the first serviced and correctly implemented.

"100 percent renewable energy!"

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Wilf Carter We are close already and are doing a good job. I don't think we will ever have 100% renewables.

Peter And we'll fly to Vancouver how?

Thomas Cheney I like it but how do we deal with the peak load? We need a dispatchable source such as DME or renewable diesel.